Comments on: Even Idiocy Needs An Anthem

By: DewsCool

DewsCool — Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:37:06 +0000

bahThis war, and our problems in the middle east are products of failed hawkish foreign policy from decades ago. The whole \"Might makes right\" bullshit continually looks to be solving our problems, but years later we see what exactly those ramifications are...Support Mujahadeen to stop the commies, you get a well funded, guerilla force well versed in CIA tactics of sabotage and urban warfare...Support lil dictators throughout the world that happen to have significant strategic benefits for the US (ie, Oil, or possible launching pads for future 'peacekeeping' missions), and eventually they have visions of grandeur, and flip us off to pursue their own goals...Truth is, we won't really know the full extend of our lil incursion into Iraq for probably 10 years, when those recruits (called regugees) are trained by various anti-west organizations, and shipped on their merry way...Lets face it, if your fighting an enemy that is very much willing to die for their cause, you gotta take a hard look at what drove them to do that, and realize \"Hey, maybe threatening them with death isn't gonna work as well as it seemingly does in Texas...\"just to you loyal pro-war types, you can't fight an Ideal (terrorism) with more suffering, thats what turned those people to that role in the first place. We gotta democratize our so-called \"allies\" first, then worry about what some pissant 3rd rate dictator is doing.Oh, Fututor, fyi, N Korea got caught shipping scuds just a month or two back to yemen, and have a long history of weapons proliferation and supply. You better believe those nukes will be on the market, especially if they can hit the west coast already...(burns soapbox, and prepares to hear how 'stoopid' and uninformed I am)

By: Elistas

Elistas — Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:52:11 +0000

OilI live in Canada, which sells more oil to the US than Iraq does. In fact, Canada sells 14% of the entire US total intake. If this war is about oil, come get us fucking defenseless Canucks! Fuck off!

By: Cplus

Cplus — Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:33:17 +0000

Sharkey.../me works in marketing and grasps its concepts quite well.I don't quite see the basis upon which you're basing your thoughts that this is a marketing ploy. Certainly it will garner some attention, but that needn't cause us to doubt the intention. Also note that I personally don't like the track even though I am a big fan. I've found most of the anit-war music (http://peace-not-war.org/) being made right now to be pretty bland actually, but I like the fact that it's being made. It's very important that the US not quash the rights of it's people to cry out against what it does, that's the much proclaimed freedom which they apparently fight for. The voice of dissent need not be right, it needs no might, it only needs to be.

By: TwoGuns

TwoGuns — Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:31:06 +0000

Johnny RockstarI don't think anyone here wants to see Americans die in the desert or Iraqi children die when thier cities get bombed. But do you want to see Kurdish children die when Saddam decides he want to drop some nerve gas on them? Do you want to see civilians die when he forces them into military sites to act as human shields? I don't want anybody to die, but a war to disarm Iraq is the lesser of two evils.

By: Fututor

Fututor — Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:01:43 +0000

Research at Google First John, read this http://bittersanity.blogspot.com/2003_03_01_bittersanity_archive.html#90350901. It'll help you understand that countries are quite different ideologically on foreign policy. Also, while you're at it, run right over to http://www.neoflux.com/ and have a ball with all the great new stuff you'll learn.Onward and upward. First, just for reference, bin Laden is not a small fry dictator turned monster; he's just a wealthy, radical Muslim, Middle Easterner who happens to be a terrorist. Second, who the fuck made you king of the moral high ground? \"Responsible actions in a global community\"? Whether actions are responsible or not in the global community is a completely relative idea; most, if not all, in the U.S. believe genocide is wrong, whereas Hitler, Slobodan Milosevic, and others have felt otherwise. Sorry pal, but looking out for our interests is a responsible enough reason for lives to be lost for me, and I think plenty of men and women who are presently volunteering their lives would agree. Also, how in the hell do you know that our bombing campaign is targeting water facilities in Iraq? Do you work for the Pentagon? Or did you just get that information from Google like the rest of your knowledge? Now, I never remember saying that this war wasn't about oil. It is about oil, but not all about oil. Do you honestly believe that the U.S. is the only country who has a vested interest in oil? Don't people in Europe drive cars? Do you have a motor vehicle? I'll bet you do. And I'll wager that you, and most Europeans, won't wonder at all why oil prices fall when, and if, they do.Regarding Saudi Arabia: I'm sorry in advance, but I have some non-Google, non-Internet related reading that will take more than a few minutes to peruse. Just give David E. Long's The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia a once over, and you'll get a feel for the \"special relationship\" that the U.S and Saudi Arabia have had since the 1930's.You don't, \"want Americans to die in the desert\"? Well, possibly to your surprise, the Americans who might die in the desert don't really care what you want. They are volunteering to serve their country and carry out it's interests. You don't want, \"some Iraqi children to die as we bomb their cities\"? Strangely enough, the Pentagon doesn't want that either. There are very specific people we want to eliminate over in Iraq, and none of them are children. Further, I imagine there are probably a few Iraqi children who wouldn't mind seeing you die, maybe not. Either way, I know you don't have the answers, and fuck, I know I don't have them either. But I can see reality staring me in the face, and I'm going to stare right back. Just because this is a, \"grossly complicated situation here,\" doesn't mean that it cannot be discussed intelligently and dealt with, however that may end up being.Oh, and please, no more soapboxes.